{"id":337,"date":"2007-10-04T22:23:40","date_gmt":"2007-10-05T02:23:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/profcutler.com\/wordpress_blog\/?p=337"},"modified":"2007-10-04T22:23:40","modified_gmt":"2007-10-05T02:23:40","slug":"david-wurmser-a-very-medieval-sort-of-guy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/profcutler.com\/wordpress_blog\/?p=337","title":{"rendered":"David Wurmser: A Very Medieval Sort of Guy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><meta http-equiv=\"Content-Language\" content=\"en-us\" \/> <meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=windows-1252\" \/><title>Having departed from the Cheney<\/title>Having departed from the Cheney administration, David Wurmser recently sat  for an interview with Toby Harnden, US Editor of the <em>The Daily Telegraph<\/em>.\u00c2\u00a0  Harnden has offered up three different venues for his Wurmser profile: a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2007\/10\/05\/wiran205.xml\"> backgrounder<\/a>, a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2007\/10\/05\/wiran105.xml\"> news article<\/a>, and a <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/foreign\/tobyharnden\/oct07\/david-wurmser.htm\"> blog post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>For those who have been <a href=\"https:\/\/profcutler.com\/wordpress_blog\/index.php?s=wurmser\">tracking  Wurmser for a while<\/a>, there aren&#8217;t many big surprises here.\u00c2\u00a0 But there  are some familiar themes that certainly put to rest any notion that Wurmser is  engaging in any serious self-criticism.<\/p>\n<p><strong>1. From Dual Containment to Dual Rollback: Iraq and Iran<\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2007\/10\/05\/wiran205.xml\">backgrounder<\/a>)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Had we not gone to war, we would probably by now be dealing with a  \tnuclear Iraq, a heavily chemical Iraq, and moreover an Iraq that governed  \tthe imagination of all the region.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>We would be sitting here agonising over whether we need to align with  \tIran which is going nuclear against an Iraq which is going nuclear or with  \tIraq against Iran. And that is a strategic defeat for us either way<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For a discussion of Wurmser&#8217;s vision of &#8220;dual rollback,&#8221; see my ZNet essay, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.zmag.org\/content\/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10185\">Beyond  Incompetence: Washington&#8217;s War in Iraq<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>2. Regime change in Iran (and Syria), if possible; military action, if  necessary<\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/foreign\/tobyharnden\/oct07\/david-wurmser.htm\">blog<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>First off, he does not believe it is feasible for the US to launch  \tunilateral military strikes or an invasion as part of pre-emptive war on  \tIran. When I asked him if the US should initiate regime change in Damascus  \tand Syria, he replied: &#8220;As far as non-violent means goes, yes. But it would  \tbe very difficult for the United States to initiate kinetic action <strong> \twithout provocation.<\/strong>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Those non-violent means would include &#8220;radio, meetings, encouragement of  \tdissidents, support&#8221; as well as a &#8220;<strong>clear policy<\/strong> that we will not  \ttraffic with this regime, we don&#8217;t accept the legitimacy of this regime and  \tthat <strong>we do support the Iranian people who oppose the regime<\/strong>&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p>He summarised: &#8220;Hand them a series humiliating strategic defeats externally  \tand work to undermine them internally. I don&#8217;t think the regime has the  \twherewithal to absorb such massive assaults&#8221;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If you do this now and you do this effectively and you do it  \taggressively and decisively you will not have to go to war with Iran&#8230;.If  \twe fail to do that in the near future then we&#8217;re going to face a much larger  \twar and we will then have to think seriously about <strong>going directly into  \tIran<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One of the ways of administering an external defeat to Iran, he said, would  \tbe to force regime change in Syria by America responding to a crisis&#8230; His  \ttheory is that Iran&#8217;s weakness would be exposed because it would be shown as  \timpotent to protect Syria.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And from Harnden&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2007\/10\/05\/wiran105.xml\"> news article<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Limited strikes against Iranian nuclear targets would be useless, Mr  \tWurmser said. &#8220;Only if what we do is placed in the framework of a  \tfundamental assault on the survival of the regime will it have a pick-up  \tamong ordinary Iranians.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If we start shooting, we must be prepared to fire the last shot. Don&#8217;t  \tshoot a bear if you&#8217;re not going to kill it.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For splits, within the &#8220;Neocon&#8221; world, on the relative merits of regime  change and military action, see my blog post, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/profcutler.com\/wordpress_blog\/?p=309\">Cheney\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s  Iran: Military Strikes or Regime Change?<\/a>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>3. US-British Rivalry in Iraq<\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2007\/10\/05\/wiran105.xml\">news  article<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mr Wurmser&#8230; was highly critical of British forces in southern Iraq.  \t&#8220;Being in Basra, the British had a major role to play and they didn&#8217;t really  \tplay it very well.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Under British presence, the Iranians extended their power considerably.  \tBritish troops are still there but Iraqis see them as dead men walking&#8230;.  \teverybody&#8217;s looking towards who is the real power that fills the vacuum and  \tthat then translates into an Iranian-American confrontation in that area.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>British withdrawal, he said, could be a plus for the US. &#8220;It frees our hand  \tto deal aggressively with their [Iran&#8217;s] structures. Once we have  \tresponsibility for that area, we&#8217;ll have to do what we need to do and that  \tcould well mean troops on the ground.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For more on the notion of US-British rivalry, see my blog post, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/profcutler.com\/wordpress_blog\/?p=299\">Kicking  the British Poodle in Basra<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>4. The US Occupation of Iraq<\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/foreign\/tobyharnden\/oct07\/david-wurmser.htm\">blog<\/a>)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Did we make mistakes?&#8221; Wurmser asked. &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t have done the war that  \tway. I think a lot of us would&#8217;ve wished that we would&#8217;ve recognised a  \tgovernment in exile ahead of time, gone in, minimal occupation, minor time  \tperiod, quickly turned over power to an Iraqi government once and for all,  \tand left with a fairly powerful over-the-shadow horizon.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For more on rifts between &#8220;Boots on the Ground&#8221; advocates of a maximal  occupation and &#8220;Nixon doctrine&#8221; partisans who favor minimal occupation and  maximum reliance on local surrogates, see my blog post, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/profcutler.com\/wordpress_blog\/?p=331\">The  \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Boots\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Camp and the Nixon Doctrine in Iraq<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Beyond all that, there are some rare <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/foreign\/tobyharnden\/oct07\/david-wurmser.htm\"> snaps of Wurmser<\/a> and some <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2007\/10\/05\/wiran205.xml\"> quirky details<\/a> about the man and his work:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>His desk in Room 298 of the Old Executive Office Building, where he  \tworked for four years as Vice President Dick Cheney&#8217;s Middle East adviser,  \twas seen as a centre of a grand conspiracy in which Mr Wurmser and other  \tneoconservatives sought to subvert US policy&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking to The Daily Telegraph in his new office barely 200 yards away in  \tan anonymous block that overlooks the White House, Mr Wurmser shrugged when  \tasked about the neonconservative label that has become the premier term of  \tabuse in Washington.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s nothing &#8216;neo&#8217; about me,&#8221; he quipped. &#8220;I&#8217;m a very medieval sort of  \tguy.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not even a self-proclaimed &#8220;Renaissance&#8221; man.\u00c2\u00a0 Medieval&#8230;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Having departed from the CheneyHaving departed from the Cheney administration, David Wurmser recently sat for an interview with Toby Harnden, US Editor of the The Daily Telegraph.\u00c2\u00a0 Harnden has offered up three different venues for his Wurmser profile: a backgrounder, a news article, and a blog post. 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